Dub episode discussion thread

Yes, and once I watched the English trailer, and I could see more than a few seconds of some examples of some actual fightin', I could see it was much smoother and what people were saying. (I struggled to see it before that, I think, largely because Ash looks so fuckin' awful it detracts from everything else.) The Japanese intro also did it no favours, I feel. Nor did those first trailers. Much as well... some of us... I love Ash, the real reason I'm here is to watch brightly coloured monsters kicking the shit out of each other. Which the initial trailers didn't show, to any significant degree; at least to me. The English trailer actually said to me personally "um, yes, there is probably some plot and fightin' involved, it's not just Howarts-Pokémon-style, like you might have gotten the impression of from the other trailers."

Put it this way, until I saw the English trailer, my view on the new series were all negative. I pretty much hate the new artistic style (I VERY much do for Ash's design; were that not so eyeball-boiling awful, the rest probably would not have mattered as much), the set-up has not especially endeared me to it (hell, the games themselves are making me compartively lukewarm to it, I'm probably the least excited I've ever been for a new Gen) and it seemed to be leaning more on the comedy than anything else*.

Now I'm slightly more optimistic.

So maybe you found it different, but I certainly was very underwhelmed by the initial trailers.



*Given that, for me certainly, the high water-mark is currently DP (rest of XY pending), that had the darkest tone (while not by any means being dark). And let's be clear here: I am VERY up on the presence of humour and its lack is usually the very first sign that something is going to be crap. However, it can also be overused like everything else, and the best stuff maximises the contrast between silly and serious. (My personal gold standard is Babylon 5 with Stargate SG-1 only a little behind.) Pokémon is alrady plenty silly enough, it doesn't need to exaggerate the silly any more; what DP did best (and XY from reputation does) is sharpen the non-silly bits somewhat FOR that contrast.

Sun/Moon, at least from the first trailers, gave me no indication it was goin to do that.

Now, maybe it is because I haven't ever really seen what new series trailer releases look like, so maybe that's always the case. (I may have seen the trailer for XY when it first came out, but the fact it took me until I saw some battle scenes recently to realise it looked awesome suggests those were pretty rubbish trailers as well.)

Full disclosure: I am one of the VERY few people who finds Teen Titans Go! absolutely fracking hilarious and that *is* pure silly humour; but that is largely because it is essentially a self-parody that is actually full of quite dark humour with it.

I think this is the point where we are at irreversibly diametircally opposite odds. Ash damn well SHOULD have aged; he shouldn't BE ten, it's been nearly twenty fricking years and EVEN IN IT'S OWN continuity it's been longer than a year, just in the sheer amount of days that have passed. Comic-book time is pretty poor and often badly handled, even within the limitations of it's own medium (wherein you can only do about 12 "episodes" a year), and it should not be aped by anything else. Yes, you can overlook the issue in, I dunno, the Beano, but that is about where the buck should stop.

I expect better, frankly, out of them.





I'm afraid my response to that is "well, don't put out crap trailers, then, media outlets." If you put out a trailer - especially a first one, you should be putting your absolute best foot forward, because it WILL colour people's first impressions and it is rather easy to tank yourself right out of the gate with a bad impression.

I am personally prepared to give things some benefit of the doubt (always give a show a couple of episodes, because you might just start on the really crap one everyone hates, etc) - I still went to see Ghostbusters, after all, despite the appalling show they made of that first trailer* and I usually give things more than one look. Hense why I was (and am) waiting to see more before calling final judgement. I am not afraid of revising my opinion when the final product comes out (I cheerfully ate my hat when Equestria Girls came out, after saying it was basically impossible for it to be anything above barely tolerable).

But that does NOT excuse the half-arsed trailers. This sort of thing is IMPORTANT, and should be done right.



*That there was one trailer that was very similar for both US and UK and the latter was simply VASTLY better edited, despite them being quite close to shot-for-shot speaks volumes about how there is an art to not to make trailers. This was illustrated by one gentleman I linked to was actually in the business, and broke down WHY the UK was better framed,shot by shot. It was fascinating; I might be able to find the links if anyone is interested,#.

Strange that TPCI would ask for that crucifix-style scene to be change, but be perfectly fine with keeping it when it happened with Meloetta in Black and White.

But the strangest is not wanting Ash to scream in pain. All I can get from that is Sarah Natochenny didn't want to damage her voice box (and that was a joke).

Seriously though, TPCI asking for that moment to be redone and having it look like the beam was working, it makes Ash look slightly weaker in withstanding it.

Not saying that's a bad thing by the way, in fact I despise how close to Gary-Stu level both Ash and Greninja are in XYZ, so it's nice to see weakness from Ash.

That's great, just remember to go through the rules on writing episode guides over here: pokemopolis.freeforums.net/thread/2/faq

So I watched the first English dub episode of the Sun & Moon series and I have to say TPCI did a good job, especially with the voices.

I mainly love that they had Bewear sound similar to Kiteruguma from the Japanese version, that is the only voice that would work for it.

I am not going to talk about TPCI keeping the background music, because it's probably just a temporary thing as this was a sneak peek.

The dub episode "The Right Hero for the Right Job!" aired somewhere before it aired in America, which means it's been uploaded online (look for it if you want to see it).

Holy fucking shit...
I thought I was a fan of Ed Goldfarb before, but now, there may not be a word for my admiration of his work as of that track that played over Clembot's sacrifice. I've said before that Goldfarb's biggest forte is emotional music (and even Don agrees with me on that). Tracks like this are proof of that.

As for the rest of the episode, it was great. Michael Liscio Jr. and Alyson Rosenfeld made this episode theirs. The former's rendition of the sacrifice scene and the latter's performance of the Squishy song were the highlights.

Possible confirmation on Volcanion's English VA.

www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2016-12-09/why-does-pokemon-look-so-different-now/.109646

An interesting article on the changes in how the anime has been made.