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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Apr 6, 2017 12:56:57 GMT -4
Well, you're right about me skipping most of episode 21. Since the dub is now out (albeit in Canada), I'm taking a break from the JP version. Nothing short of an Aether arc will bring me back to this saga's original flawed self.
Of course, since episode 21 had an important scene in it, I decided to skip straight to said scene and see absolutely nothing else of the episode.
As soon as I heard the Snowbelle City theme play (the theme that's second to "Eternal Prison" for being a formerly great theme that Mima took all dignity away from simply by overusing the shit out of it), I just said, "Mima, you've desecrated the memory of Stoutland." Here I was hoping for a new sad track to pop up, but no, Mima falls back on one of the sad tracks he's so fond of using that it ought to count as a fetish.
Because of this, the sympathy I should've had for Litten: not there in any capacity.
This is honestly the first time since the XY saga that I felt like the JP version was actively fucking with me. It really does seem to try to do absolutely everything wrong, especially important stuff that matters.
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 6, 2017 15:20:42 GMT -4
Well it's no surprise you didn't feel anything, you just skipped to right when it happened. And all just because you have a phobia of Nyasu's voice.
If you watched it in full and witnessed the symbolism and the build up, then the emotion of the episode would have had more of an impact on you.
Or maybe not and you just don't have enough of a heart, so your response would still be the same even If you saw this well made episode in full.
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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Apr 6, 2017 15:44:47 GMT -4
It's more that the JP version doesn't know how to tug at my heartstrings. And that scene failed in such a spectacular way that I officially pity the entire nation of Japan for suffering it. They are getting cheated, and so is anyone who quit the dub. In fact, it's so bad that I, someone who is not a professional editor by any means, made this scene sadder not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES just today, and in less than ten minutes.
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 7, 2017 7:51:13 GMT -4
Except for the fact that there are many people who found this episode to be extremely emotional, even causing people to tear up.
While some did have things to nitpick, most of the comments for episode 21 has been widely positive and I'm not surprised by that.
Seriously, just what is with that bullshit that they 'suffered'? The entire nation of Japan doesn't share your fucking views you know.
Stop putting your thoughts into everybody else's head, jut accept that there are people who dislike the dub and move the frick on.
You are just heartless Ryu, you let a song bother you, if you weren't then even music wouldn't effect your emotions of this episode.
Actually no, I bet you won't even cry when you do see the dub version as you ruined it for yourself by skipping to when it happened.
It was witnessing every leaf falling off the tree to symbolize how long Mooland had left is what made when it happened so upsetting.
So when you see Nyabby desperately searching for Mooland, you begin to choke up and then can't hold it in when that final leaf falls.
However, Ryu, as you had already skipped straight to that part, you messed up even your viewing of the dub version for the episode.
This is the fist time a Pokémon has died in the TV series and it was done so well. SM021 will go down in history as the saddest episode of Pokémon ever.
I mean there have been plenty of emotional Pokémon episodes, but this tops them all in the sadness meter due to the fact that a Pokémon passed away.
And I am so happy at how well received this episode was, so many people felt upset by it. Seriously, you have to be heartless and a dog hater to not be.
Remember when I said the amount of silence helped the episode? One that really stood out to me is the scene of Nyasu looking up to the sky as it rained.
Because it caused me to feel what Nyasu was feeling, I just went completely quiet and mourned in silence in my head when I saw that well done moment.
It's going to be a real damn shame when TPCI fills that scene (and all those other scenes with no music) with their own music, thus ruining the whole point.
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Post by andrewscott48209 on Apr 7, 2017 12:14:25 GMT -4
Except for the fact that there are many people who found this episode to be extremely emotional, even causing people to tear up. While some did have things to nitpick, most of the comments for episode 21 has been widely positive and I'm not surprised by that. Seriously, just what is with that bullshit that they 'suffered'? The entire nation of Japan doesn't share your fucking views you know. Stop putting your thoughts into everybody else's head, jut accept that there are people who dislike the dub and move the frick on. You are just heartless Ryu, you let a song bother you, if you weren't then even music wouldn't effect your emotions of this episode. Actually no, I bet you won't even cry when you do see the dub version as you ruined it for yourself by skipping to when it happened. It was witnessing every leaf falling off the tree to symbolize how long Mooland had left is what made when it happened so upsetting. So when you see Nyabby desperately searching for Mooland, you begin to choke up and then can't hold it in when that final leaf falls. However, Ryu, as you had already skipped straight to that part, you messed up even your viewing of the dub version for the episode.
This is the fist time a Pokémon has died in the TV series and it was done so well. SM021 will go down in history as the saddest episode of Pokémon ever. I mean there have been plenty of emotional Pokémon episodes, but this tops them all in the sadness meter due to the fact that a Pokémon passed away. And I am so happy at how well received this episode was, so many people felt upset by it. Seriously, you have to be heartless and a dog hater to not be. Remember when I said the amount of silence helped the episode? One that really stood out to me is the scene of Nyasu looking up to the sky as it rained. Because it caused me to feel what Nyasu was feeling, I just went completely quiet and mourned in silence in my head when I saw that well done moment. It's going to be a real damn shame when TPCI fills that scene (and all those other scenes with no music) with their own music, thus ruining the whole point. I think they were very effective on how they portrayed this. They knew they couldn't just show Stoutland explicitly dying because of the censors. So they used as much symbolism as possible by not only using the leaves on the tree, but just before the last leaf fell from the tree, the couch Stoutland was laying on collapsed, letting there be no doubt it had died. It's just like the last episode of Pokémon XY&Z with the kissing scene. They couldn't show it on screen so they shot the scene from the legs and heavily implied it. Also the music selection was great. Some people nitpicked the use of the Snowbell city theme, but it does fit in these places. It has that depressing feel to it, when you know something bad has happened. Meowth's Ballad was a great selection that they used to show Litten mourning Stoutland's death. And having Stoutland in the clouds was a great way of telling Litten that Stoutland is always there in its heart, which gave Litten closure. I'm also glad Ash got to capture Litten. It's something about Ash and fire types that has a troubling past before being caught by Ash. Charmander was abandoned and left to die had Ash and his friends not intervened. Now it's a Charizard, having been given a chance to get stronger. Chimchar was abused and abandoned before Ash caught it. Now it's an Infernape with a powerful blaze ability. Tepig was abandoned and malnourished when Ash found it. Now it's a Pignite and very healthy and strong enough to fight in a league even with the bad writing. Now Litten had to go through the death of its mentor Stoutland. Here's hoping it becomes as strong as possible.
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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Apr 7, 2017 12:31:44 GMT -4
Some people nitpicked the use of the Snowbell city theme, but it does fit in these places. It has that depressing feel to it, when you know something bad has happened. Meowth's Ballad was a great selection that they used to show Litten mourning Stoutland's death. And having Stoutland in the clouds was a great way of telling Litten that Stoutland is always there in its heart, which gave Litten closure. Why shouldn't they nitpick that damn theme's use? Seriously, JP XY wore it out almost as badly as it wore out the AZ Theme. It single-handedly turned what should've been a historically tragic moment into filler so meaningless that it might as well be a Johto episode. Apparently Mima thought Stoutland's death wasn't a big enough event to treat with respect, so fuck him for that. Along with Team Rocket, he's the JP version's biggest liability, and blunders like this are why.
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Post by andrewscott48209 on Apr 7, 2017 13:08:41 GMT -4
Some people nitpicked the use of the Snowbell city theme, but it does fit in these places. It has that depressing feel to it, when you know something bad has happened. Meowth's Ballad was a great selection that they used to show Litten mourning Stoutland's death. And having Stoutland in the clouds was a great way of telling Litten that Stoutland is always there in its heart, which gave Litten closure. Why shouldn't they nitpick that damn theme's use? Seriously, JP XY wore it out almost as badly as it wore out the AZ Theme. It single-handedly turned what should've been a historically tragic moment into filler so meaningless that it might as well be a Johto episode. Apparently Mima thought Stoutland's death wasn't a big enough event to treat with respect, so fuck him for that. Along with Team Rocket, he's the JP version's biggest liability, and blunders like this are why. I never said they shouldn't. I just gave a different opinion than them.
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 7, 2017 17:29:36 GMT -4
Exactly. Please just accept the facts Ryu, there are people who found the original, Japanese, version of episode 21 upsetting.
There are people, like myself, who cried. Heck even those who nitpicked at some music choices still were sadden by the episode.
Stop thinking your view on the episode is shared by everybody else, when many thought Mooland's passing away was done perfectly.
New title and new summaries-
SM025: The Fight Over the Crystal! The Rocket Gang VS The Skull Gang!!!
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 8, 2017 7:28:47 GMT -4
Just want to talk one more time about episode 21: The subject of death and grief was handled so well and so many people agree with this fact.
This episode was wonderfully done and if it didn't make you cry then you're clearly heartless or your emotions just aren't strong enough for you.
The episode caused me to love Nyasu's Ballad even more and the Eisetsu City theme is a beautiful song, they can play it as much as they want.
If you get sick of a song that's been played like four times, then you didn't like it as much as you thought. Meanwhile I will listen to it on repeat.
A brand new trailer, details and a summary for the 20th Anniversary Pokémon Movie:
Now that is what you call a retelling, I am really looking forward to this. Also, oh my god, that remake of Mezase Pokémon Master gave me fucking chills.
I know they will be remaking the original series background music too, which makes even more mad that TPCI decided to replace the music in the movies.
Because majority of that music was kept by 4kids, so it would not only be nostalgia to fans of the original, but also those who only watch the dub as well.
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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Apr 8, 2017 9:19:06 GMT -4
This episode was wonderfully done and if it didn't make you cry then you're clearly heartless or your emotions just aren't strong enough for you. I see. So I (or anyone else who may not have been moved to tears) am heartless just because awful sound direction led me to not cry when Stoutland died. You know, I tend to get on the Pokemon sub fandom's case for trying to force me to like the Japanese version. Looks like I'm still right about them... or at least you in particular.
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 8, 2017 18:29:28 GMT -4
I see. So I (or anyone else who may not have been moved to tears) am heartless just because awful sound direction led me to not cry when Stoutland died. You know, I tend to get on the Pokemon sub fandom's case for trying to force me to like the Japanese version. Looks like I'm still right about them... or at least you in particular. It has got nothing to do with liking the Japanese version, it's got to do with liking the episode in general and caring about what happened. And that means not letting the choice of music bother you by focusing more on what you are seeing than what you are hearing in that scene. Also you're one to talk, one of your posts made it clear that you wished everyone, even people in Japan, only liked the dub version of Pokémon. Like the crap that people in Japan "suffered" just because you didn't like a certain music choice. Yeah, because they all felt the same way as you. That's called denial; you can't believe anyone would have become emotional in that episode. Well news flash, people did and you have to accept it. You know I'm actually taunting you about being "heartless", it was like a revenge on what you said, I wasn't actually being serious when I said that. If you hadn't typed all that and just simply said you didn't like the choice of music, Ryu, I would have thought nothing about your post and moved on.
I am so very sorry, I have another post on SM021, but it's actually an add on to a previous post I made on a certain scene that I really liked from it: The scene with Nyasu in the rain didn't have background music and because of that you could hear the sound of the rain clearly and it was beautiful. I mean a Pokémon just passed away, so many emotions are going on and then you come to that scene and it helps you to have a moment of silence.
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 8, 2017 19:06:15 GMT -4
New summaries for SM023, SM024 and SM025-
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Post by andrewscott48209 on Apr 9, 2017 0:44:12 GMT -4
If they do replace Meowth's ballad in the dub, the only theme I want to hear is Tears after the Cloudy weather.
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Post by Donkarasu on Apr 9, 2017 4:54:13 GMT -4
If they do replace Meowth's ballad in the dub, the only theme I want to hear is Tears after the Cloudy weather. That's Japanese background music, not a dub one, so TPCI can't use it. Speaking of which, that song better get a remake in the 20th Pokémon movie. Not just that, but many other songs from the original series OST, because when they are, we will be hearing most of them in the TV show right after it.
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Post by andrewscott48209 on Apr 9, 2017 14:50:05 GMT -4
If they do replace Meowth's ballad in the dub, the only theme I want to hear is Tears after the Cloudy weather. That's Japanese background music, not a dub one, so TPCI can't use it. Speaking of which, that song better get a remake in the 20th Pokémon movie. Not just that, but many other songs from the original series OST, because when they are, we will be hearing most of them in the TV show right after it. True, but TCPI used it on the last episode of the Diamond and Pearl series.
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