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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Sept 2, 2016 17:38:25 GMT -4
What else was there to say? Yes, that part worked out, but virtually nothing else did. And really, what makes this whole situation any different from what caused people to ragequit the dub upon seeing the Diancie movie in English?
You know, I think it's come full-circle; lots of people ragequit the dub for a ridiculous reason (Ed Goldfarb), and here I am doing the same to the JP version for a similarly ridiculous reason (Shinji Miyazaki). I suppose now I understand their attachment to the show's soundtrack(s) is of such a magnitude that it can drive people to that. Doesn't mean I like it, and I'm not particularly proud of being guilty of the very thing I've criticized.
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 2, 2016 17:53:56 GMT -4
But it was only two songs that you didn't like, you don't even say anything about the rest of the music. Heck, you agreed that having the Team Flare battle music during a Team Flare battle... uh... worked out. Of course it worked. Why wouldn't it? That song was made for Team Flare, so it fits best with Team Flare. I had thought they'd have finally learned how to use their own music correctly, as evidenced by last week's episode. Now here we are, back to its usual mis-matching. As far as I've seen, anyway, since I stopped watching as soon as that track that technically isn't "XY&Z" but is still too similar to it started up. Hey, here is an even better idea that could help; CONTINUING WATCHING THE REST OF THE FUCKING EPISODE BEFORE YOU JUDGE THE ENTIRE THING! "Oh no, the song that I do not like to hear is playing, instead of just skipping that scene or muting it, I will chicken out and stop watching the episode!" Hey, you know where the Legendary Pokémon battle music played? Oh of course you don't, because you stopped watching. Stop being such a coward.
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 2, 2016 17:59:07 GMT -4
I deleted my post by mistake if you're wondering, that's why you're replying to yourself.
So yeah, let it be known I have a huge hatred for any one who judges something from a few things and don't even bother to see the rest.
I don't mean I hate you as a person, I mean I hate how your mindset works. Just one slip-up and it's suddenly all bad to you, that's just sad.
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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Sept 3, 2016 17:04:53 GMT -4
I decided to take your advice and finish watching the new JP episode. I still hate it, but I'll be seeing the rest of this arc. I have no reason to expect that things will get better, though. And after it ends, no more JP version.
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 3, 2016 18:04:22 GMT -4
Good. I hope you feel more satisfied now that you were able to give the episode a fair judgement.
Anyway, I hope Nyasu getting a solo song will mean Musashi and Kojiro will be getting their own too.
I'm also hoping for a group song with XY Quartet, because they are all good singers and it would be cute.
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 6, 2016 6:55:20 GMT -4
New titles and summaries- XY&Z042: The Megalith Advances! A Fight to Protect Kalos!! XY&Z043: Zygarde Fights Back! The Final Battle for Kalos!!
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 7, 2016 12:35:19 GMT -4
Full summary and voice cast for the 1 hour special, plus the 7th song in the Character Song Project which will be played as the ending theme after this- A new title and summary- XY&Z044: We Start at Zero! Citron's Decision!! (there will be a two week break before this episode, it will air 6th October).
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 8, 2016 8:15:20 GMT -4
XY&Z041 screenshots: filb.de/anime/xyz/041 and XY&Z042 & 43 preview video: filb.de/news/pocket-monsters-xy-z-folge-41-2781Okay, fuck all those whiny, salty, cry babies who stopped watching this series after Satoshi lost the Kalos League. You are all missing out on something great. What an amazing episode, just wow. The emotional scenes were done so well, I did indeed cry during both of them and all of the music choices were spot on. Despite most people seeing Eureka singing to Puni-chan to get it to remember her and Citroid's sacrifice coming, it doesn't make them any less heartbreaking. That is what I love about the Pokémon anime, even if what you predict becomes true, it will completely blow you away with how they do and the impact from it. Let me just talk about Eureka singing Puni-chan's song;- Her voice staring off quiet and then picking up to get Puni-chan to hear her, Eureka's voice breaking at one point as she does her best to sing through her tears. This is how I hoped that scene would play out and it didn't disappoint, Mariya Ise did an amazing job. That reveal of Citroid getting rebuilt does not make his sacrifice here any less upsetting, especially with Citron being the one who had to destroy his friend. The realization at what was going to happen and the sadness and hesitation from doing it, but then reassurance that it's for the best, the hard choice of accepting and doing what is right and then the loss and mourning over the death of a friend. It was all there between Citron and Citroid and it was done amazingly well. I love the Lemon Siblings, so seeing both of them cry like that was hard to watch, but at the same time I'm glad that the impact of their tears was so powerful. You have to be heartless or a person lacking in any emotion if those two upsetting scenes from the latest episode didn't make you feel even a hint of sadness.
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Post by andrewscott48209 on Sept 8, 2016 10:33:40 GMT -4
XY&Z041 screenshots: filb.de/anime/xyz/041 and XY&Z042 & 43 preview video: filb.de/news/pocket-monsters-xy-z-folge-41-2781Okay, fuck all those whiny, salty, cry babies who stopped watching this series after Satoshi lost the Kalos League. You are all missing out on something great. What an amazing episode, just wow. The emotional scenes were done so well, I did indeed cry during both of them and all of the music choices were spot on. Despite most people seeing Eureka singing to Puni-chan to get it to remember her and Citroid's sacrifice coming, it doesn't make them any less heartbreaking. That is what I love about the Pokémon anime, even if what you predict becomes true, it will completely blow you away with how they do and the impact from it. Let me just talk about Eureka singing Puni-chan's song;- Her voice staring off quiet and then picking up to get Puni-chan to hear her, Eureka's voice breaking at one point as she does her best to sing through her tears. This is how I hoped that scene would play out and it didn't disappoint, Mariya Ise did an amazing job. That reveal of Citroid getting rebuilt does not make his sacrifice here any less upsetting, especially with Citron being the one who had to destroy his friend. The realization at what was going to happen and the sadness and hesitation from doing it, but then reassurance that it's for the best, the hard choice of accepting and doing what is right and then the loss and mourning over the death of a friend. It was all there between Citron and Citroid and it was done amazingly well. I love the Lemon Siblings, so seeing both of them cry like that was hard to watch, but at the same time I'm glad that the impact of their tears was so powerful. You have to be heartless or a person lacking in any emotion if those two upsetting scenes from the latest episode didn't make you feel even a hint of sadness. You know, there are people who think that this was a weak episode. I'm not one of them. This was a very solid episode, filled with emotion, and everyone played a part, even if their part was small.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Sept 8, 2016 16:10:06 GMT -4
Okay, I guess I have to comment on the latest episode now because it was so good. The previous two episodes weren't bad either, but they were nothing compared to this one. For example, Alain was a total dickbag when he just allowed Team Flare to kidnap Ash and I hated how he let Lysandre talk for like an hour while Ash and his Pokémon appeared to end up crucified on top of Prism Tower in front of entire Kalos. Don't get me wrong, it was satisfying to see Alain break down when he realized how badly he'd fucked up, but he STILL didn't do anything when Lysandre had already revealed that he was evil. Then again, I think I prefer it that way. It was great to see Ash and Greninja break free by themselves before Alain got his shit together and decided to help them.
Anyway, about the latest episode: The only thing I DIDN'T like was the fact that Ash lost four of his Pokémon against Mega Gyarados like they were nothing. Yes, I know, Lysandre's Mega Gyarados is uber-powerful and all that, but I still don't like how it seems to require Ash's entire team and two Mega Evolved Pokémon to take it down. I'll just take comfort in knowing that even if Alain used his entire team too, they wouldn't do any better against Mega Gyarados than Ash's Pokémon. Oh, how I wish that Ash and Alain would have used only Greninja and Charizard (and maybe Pikachu) against Lysandre. I know the guy's evil, but I always hate it when one side uses more Pokémon than the other side in a battle. One of the reasons why I think Pokémon Origins was bullshit.
Everything else was fantastic. Clemont and Clembot defending their Gym from Team Flare was awesome and Clembot's destruction was one of the saddest scenes in the entire show. I can't wait to see it with subs. Clembot was Clemont's only invention that didn't self-destruct and in the end, Clemont had to destroy it himself. Now that's what I call cruel irony.
Bonnie and Squishy's scene was equally great. I'm not a big fan of the Squishy Song, but I love how it was used here. It was beautiful. I know some people will call it an asspull, but I have to wonder how they would have solved the problem instead. There was no way anyone could have overpowered Squishy alone, so the best way to stop its rampage was obviously to snap it out of its mind control. Seriously, what is some people's problem with Power of Friendship? It may be one of the oldest tropes ever, but so what, because it fucking works. I admit that there have been times when I too have thought that Power of Friendship wasn't the best solution the writers could have used, but this was NOT one of those times. I knew that Bonnie would be the one to save Squishy and it was extremely satisfying to be right this time.
Team Rocket were great too. They suck as villains, but they're usually awesome at helping the heroes take other villains down. I wish they would finally realize that, but since Team Rocket never learn from their mistakes, I'll settle for these rare moments when they prove themselves to be good at something. Speaking of which, I also loved Jessie's moment on television a couple of episodes ago when she alerted Kalos of danger. That was a fantastic scene.
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Now that the writers have killed my dreams, I only wish for one last thing. They have better made Alain's Charizard lose to Lysandre's Gyarados or the Megalith Thingy in the upcoming episodes so it will be up to Ash-Greninja to deal the finishing blow. That is all I want right now. If they do that, it might make me feel a little better about that colossal failure of a League finale. Nothing will ever truly make up for it, of course, but I want to see Alain suffer at least some sort of punishment, and failing to stop Lysandre is the best thing I can hope for right now, because he's obviously going to get away with working for Team Flare.
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 8, 2016 16:19:31 GMT -4
Alan did not know what the Flare Gang were doing, he did not know their real goal.
Alan was just determined to make Manon smile again and to help Hari-san get better.
So you can not blame Alan for 'helping out' the Flare Gang when he didn't know the truth.
Also Alan is the main character of this arc, because Fluer-de-lis said a line to him that he says to the player in the XY games.
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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Sept 8, 2016 16:38:33 GMT -4
As good as the new episode was, I'm not letting it fool me into thinking the JP version will continue to be worth watching suffering after the Team Flare arc ends. You know how well it worked out last time I said a JP episode was good. There's still room for it to either topple in the proper direction that'll make me hate it peacefully and begrudgingly admit that it can do things right, or topple in its usual wrong direction that makes me feel justified in kicking it while it's down and rubbing the dub's repair of it in its face.
Anyway, this was a good episode. Squishy's Song became a Chekhov's Gun, which was nice to see. I just wish Clemont's battle against Xerosic got more focus.
For the second week in a row, I've got two music-related problems. First off, using the moving castle track from the Victini/Reshiram movie over Squishy snapping out of it. Unfitting, but not mood-ruiningly so. There are many better tracks that could've been used. I think that track that went over Alain's breakdown from last week's episode would've worked better here. Second, using AZ's Theme over Clembot's sacrifice. This one's not unfitting, but it's also not an ideal match for that scene.
Also, not to be a buzzkill, but The Legend of Korra did that whole "self-sacrifice to stop a huge machine" bit better.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Sept 8, 2016 19:41:57 GMT -4
Fine, I'll ask, because I can't take this anymore: Do you care about anything in Pokémon except the music, Ryu? Seriously, you judge the Japanese version based on only whether or not you like how it sounds. What's more, you actually seem to believe that it sounds bad, which I'll never understand, and then you insult it and claim that the dub is better because it replaces all the Japanese music at every opportunity you get. Are you just trying to pick fights at this point? Opinions are subjective, but you don't have to be such a dick about it.
Yes, I know that I can be very much of a dick myself as well, but at least my problems with the show have always been about poor writing and things that don't make sense. I only started watching the Japanese version at the beginning of BW and I couldn't care less what it sounded like because the writing was so bad. Also, even though I think the original is far better than the dub, I still watch plot-important episodes dubbed because the music is not the only thing I care about.
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Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Sept 9, 2016 2:41:29 GMT -4
Of course I do. Remember my very first guide that was full of jabs at Inuko Inuyama's miserable performance as Meowth? Basically, along with the music, my other problems are the overacting, characterizations, and script.
As for why I dwell so much about the music, it's because that's the aspect about the JP version everyone loves for some absolutely confusing reason. They boast it to the point where it's basically their sales pitch to get people to watch it instead of the dub. And do I even need to mention that Dogasu's Backpack is a site that's dedicated to sucking Shinji Miyazaki's dick?
I guess you can consider me a very dissatisfied customer in this metaphor. I don't hear a musical masterpiece on par with the works of John Williams; I hear junk that has the misfortune of being shoddily composed in general, shoddily composed by a washed-up has-been who hasn't made anything good since the Keldeo movie's soundtrack, and terribly edited by an even worse hack of a sound editor. Sometimes (like with the new episode and the one that started the Team Flare arc) it gets lucky, but it's just a hopeful glimmer of light that goes out soon after it's lit. Shinji Miyazaki was good once (though nowhere near as good as Hollywood's finest composers), but that was long ago. Now, the only composer who's done this saga justice is Ed Goldfarb.
And really, this fandom has a gigantic double standard going on. I can guarantee you that if I were part of that pro-Miyazaki circlejerk, I'd be seen by everyone as the truest of true Pokemon fans. But since things are the way they are and I'm on the dub's side when it comes to music, my very taste in music gets criticized and openly attacked. And I do need to defend myself against such unjustifiable onslaughts.
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Post by Donkarasu on Sept 12, 2016 5:12:21 GMT -4
The only thing I DIDN'T like was the fact that Ash lost four of his Pokémon against Mega Gyarados like they were nothing. It is because they're not Greninja, they don't have a special form like Greninja so they're pushed to the sidelines. Oh yes, ever since Ash-Greninja appeared, the rest of Ash's Kalos team have been getting rather poor treatment.
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