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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 2, 2015 17:19:00 GMT -4
I am currently playing the Delta episode and Zinnia talks about an alternate universe Hoenn were Mega Evolution does not exist. Could that be Gen 3's Hoenn? This would make sense, the amount of added content in the new version are too big for it to just be a remake, alternate universes are similar to each other but with differences in some areas. These can include; differences in characters, colour differences, things take a different approach or (in the case of these games) they are exactly the same, but one world has stuff not in the other and/or if a special object is needed the people in one universe take the alternate of the one that the people in other universe took. For example- Team Magma in Ruby steal the Blue Orb while in Omega Ruby they steal the Red Orb and Team Aqua steal the Red Orb in Sapphire, but in Alpha Sapphire they steal the Blue Orb. Plus this all explains how Mega Evolution could have originated in Hoenn with Rayquaza when Augustine Sycamore said it was first discovered in Kalos, X & Y games we played exists in the same universe as the Generation 3 Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald games, the events in those games in fact happened long before the events in the X & Y games as revealed in the official timeline of the original Pokémon video games. Meanwhile there is another Kalos region which exists in the same universe as the ORAS Hoenn region. This is just my theory expanded from one thing. It also explains the differences between of most of the character designs, like Tabitha being slim in the generation 3 Hoenn, but fat in the generation 6 Hoenn. Players who do not have Steven's shiny Beldum/Metagross in their team will miss out on Steven telling you a story which sounds similar to an event from the second part of the anime's Mega Evolution special in the XY series. As viewers know, Steven uses a Shiny Metagross in that special as well as in ORAS demo; From this, maybe the game universe could be one of the many Mirror World's found in Reflection Cave, that's why there are similar events between the anime and games. That's why some characters in the anime make appearances in the games, they're; Butler and Diane from the sixth Pokémon movie, Rebecca from the seventh Pokémon movie and Trip, Stephan, Cameron and Virgil from the Black and White anime series and then there is Steven talking about Alain and his Mega Charizard X from the XY series. With the first two you could say they are just Easter Eggs, but the last one makes it sound like it is much more than that. |
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Jan 4, 2015 6:16:49 GMT -4
I've mostly given up on trying to figure all that stuff out, but your theory does sound pretty good. However, I refuse to believe that any references to the anime are anything else than Easter Eggs in the games. I also don't believe that the Mirror Worlds in the anime have anything to do with the games' alternate universes. That would be way too ridiculous.
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 4, 2015 7:47:32 GMT -4
The ORAS demo is another alternate universe: The Steven you meet there says he wants to give you his shiny Metagross "in another world" or something. Actually I debunk that the game world is one of the AUs in the anime's Mirror World, there are just alternate versions of the anime characters in the games. I realized people have been confused with the major character design changes, added things and apparently Maxie's plan has a difference in Omega Ruby, something which was not part of his plan in Ruby. So this Hoenn being an alternate world from the first Hoenn we played is the only way to explain all this. By the way, I already said it on my edit note in my above post, but I'll say it over here too: I mistakenly deleted another members post, thinking it was mine. |
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Post by pokemonfan on Jan 5, 2015 12:31:58 GMT -4
By the way, I already said it on my edit note in my above post, but I'll say it over here too: I mistakenly deleted another members post, thinking it was mine. No worries, you basically made my point moot when you clarified that you were saying you believe there are alternate versions of the anime characters and anime events in the games rather than that the games were canon to the anime itself. Anyway, last I heard the accepted and most simple way of viewing the game universes is that there is a "regular" universe where all the games until XY took place, and a "mega" universe where XY and ORAS take place. It can be assumed that the history of the Mega universe is pretty similar to the regular universe but with various differences, most of them related to mega evolution existing. Of course it is easy to get things more complicated. By all rights Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are seperate universes within the mega universe continuity, with one universe having team Aqua succeed and another having team Magma succeed (and indeed this possibility is even referenced in the games when you go to the resort). I also suspect that (assuming it isn't made a sequel like Black2 and White2) that the likely third game (will be surprised if its not called Pokemon Z) will become the "canon" version of XY's events, combining the events of those two games and updating them much like Emerald did for Ruby and Sapphire and Platinum did for Diamond and Pearl, and hopefully fixing the couple of continuity problems between XY and ORAS. <><><> For all their differences, I think there are definite efforts to make the games closer to the anime and vice versa. Pokemon Amie is basically a way to cause anime-battle effects in the games (taking attacks that should knock you out, pushing through status effects due to willpower, getting critical hits out of love for the trainer and so on), while the anime has over time come to adopt the "only 4 attacks can be known at a time" rule for pokemon. |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 6, 2015 10:35:40 GMT -4
So who here didn't use only Mega Rayquaza against Zinnia's entire team during the Delta Episode? Because what I know so far (including me) just used MR. But wait, what's this? One shard of the shattered Meteoroid is apparently sentient, because it moves around and... sprouts tentacles?! Now would be a really good time for an underage Japanese girl like me to get the hell out of there, but it seems I can't, because a goddamn Deoxys breaks out of the rock and I have to battle it. Fun fact - I have never owned a Deoxys in any of my games before, so I am very excited. I send out Mega Rayquaza against Deoxys (well, like I have a choice, it's automatically the first Pokémon in my party) and then I see that Deoxys is ten levels higher than it. I'm so fucking pumped for an epic showdown between two legendaries and so I use Dragon Pulse... and OHKO Deoxys. Fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.  After that disastrous screw-up, I have little choice but to turn off the game and try again. I do not know if you have already found this out by now, but it turns out you had thechance to battle and catch Deoxys again if you accidental knocked it out. All you needed to do was fight the Elite Four again. I also reset my game after fainting Deoxys, but it was because I didn't want my Rayquaza in a Master Ball. I caught Rayquaza with the very first Ultra Ball, I used the Master Ball on Deoxys because I was tired and had been playing for too long, didn't want to bother. |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 10, 2015 8:20:13 GMT -4
Hoopa has been officially revealed:  |
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Jan 11, 2015 16:06:48 GMT -4
Yay, Hoopa. Now I'll just wait for an European event for it. Anyway, last I heard the accepted and most simple way of viewing the game universes is that there is a "regular" universe where all the games until XY took place, and a "mega" universe where XY and ORAS take place. It can be assumed that the history of the Mega universe is pretty similar to the regular universe but with various differences, most of them related to mega evolution existing. Okay, that is totally what I believe now. It makes sense in many ways and will also work if there will be further remakes of older games (like there most likely will be) with new Mega Pokémon. Of course it is easy to get things more complicated. By all rights Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are seperate universes within the mega universe continuity, with one universe having team Aqua succeed and another having team Magma succeed (and indeed this possibility is even referenced in the games when you go to the resort). I also suspect that (assuming it isn't made a sequel like Black2 and White2) that the likely third game (will be surprised if its not called Pokemon Z) will become the "canon" version of XY's events, combining the events of those two games and updating them much like Emerald did for Ruby and Sapphire and Platinum did for Diamond and Pearl, and hopefully fixing the couple of continuity problems between XY and ORAS. I'm not sure if there will be a third Kalos game, but in case I'm wrong, it better be everything you just said. I really hate continuity problems. Btw, neither Team Magma nor Team Aqua did succeed in their plan, thanks to the players and the fact that they realized how wrong they'd been. For all their differences, I think there are definite efforts to make the games closer to the anime and vice versa. Pokemon Amie is basically a way to cause anime-battle effects in the games (taking attacks that should knock you out, pushing through status effects due to willpower, getting critical hits out of love for the trainer and so on), while the anime has over time come to adopt the "only 4 attacks can be known at a time" rule for pokemon. I agree. I just realized that I've wasted years complaining about Ash's Pokémon pulling off stuff that should have been impossible by the games' logic now that it actually is possible in the games.  Also, I've come to accept the Four Moves Rule in the anime. I still hate how badly Charizard got screwed over by it, but what's done is done. |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 11, 2015 17:17:27 GMT -4
So a while ago I found out that Mr. Bonding was 'created' in ORAS. He was originally a "powerless man", until some men gave him the power of O-Power giving.
That means ORAS is a prequel to XY, if that's so... Then why is it everyone in Kalos thinks Mega Evolution was first discovered there when it was actually in Gen 6 Hoenn, with Rayquaza? Heck in there Mega Evolution is treated as a normal thing, while in Kalos it's like a big deal..... How very rude Hoenn, not telling Kalos.
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Jan 11, 2015 17:24:19 GMT -4
See? That's what I've been saying all this time. Of course ORAS takes place before XY in the games' timeline since it's a remake of RSE. Either Professor Sycamore, Gurkinn or Game Freak is a lying hack, take your pick.
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 11, 2015 17:36:48 GMT -4
Yeah, either everyone in generation 6 Hoenn are assholes or Professor Sycamore just wants to show off because he's jealous of the older Professors.
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Post by pokemonfan on Jan 11, 2015 19:36:57 GMT -4
So a while ago I found out that Mr. Bonding was 'created' in ORAS. He was originally a "powerless man", until some men gave him the power of O-Power giving. That means ORAS is a prequel to XY, if that's so... Then why is it everyone in Kalos thinks Mega Evolution was first discovered there when it was actually in Gen 6 Hoenn, with Rayquaza? Heck in there Mega Evolution is treated as a normal thing, while in Kalos it's like a big deal..... How very rude Hoenn, not telling Kalos. Well technically Rayquaza's transformation was not called "mega evolution" in the ancient past and modern peoples have largely forgotten it is even capable of changing form. Its mega evolution is also unique due to it being able to create its own mega stone inside its body. So basically standard mega evolution was still first discovered in Kalos, and hopefully the other continuity problems will be at least partly fixed in the third XY version game/s. <><><> As for why a third game is likely SeriousJupiter, Zygarde's pokedex entry (referencing a "secret power" it has) and its sub-par stats (compared to its sibling legends) indicates it has another forme/power. It would be similar to Platinum and Black2/White2, games made to showcase a new forme of the third of the legendary trio of those games. Also, Zygarde seems to have been programmed with two unique attacks that it currently cannot legally learn: Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves. Some take this to mean there may be two new games and/or two new Zygarde formes. There's also the still unreleased AZ's Floette. |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 14, 2015 9:02:03 GMT -4
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Post by pokemonfan on Jan 14, 2015 11:27:56 GMT -4
It's my understanding that unless you happen to go up against another Ditto the only stat that matters for a Ditto is HP as everything else changes into the stats the opponent has (thus Nature also doesn't matter, again unless you go up against another Ditto). Give it a Choice Scarf and use it to revenge kill. So yeah, I'd hold out for one with high HP IVs. link |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jan 14, 2015 15:04:07 GMT -4
Funny thing about that, I actually caught a Relaxed Nature Imposter Ditto around the same time I caught the other one and long before I made that post.
Plus I saw the Smogon suggestion before that. I got the stats judge to check my Relaxed Nature Ditto and it has high IVs in its HP as well as its Defense.
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Post by Donkarasu on Feb 8, 2015 10:25:35 GMT -4
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