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Post by Swampert on Jun 19, 2014 18:23:55 GMT -4
liking clothes and taking care of your looks is perfectly normal for a lot of girls her age. Honestly, I don't know. I maybe am an outdated old man, because I thought most girls her age behave like Bonnie; they are playful and carefree, they do not care much about their appearance, and they do not get wet. Sure, it's a stereotype, but I believe it's a rather accurate one. That's the problem. Also, if I had to make a choice between going to a museum and doing something I actually like, I'd totally ditch the museum too. In my opinion, when it comes to the Pokemon world, museums are quite amazing, interesting, and entertaining. At least you disagree in a civil way. I remember a guy that used to give me a hard time for calling Serena a bimbo, yet he was doing the exact same thing before me; he was calling Iris a bitch. Man, fuck that guy! From now on, like I said before, I will be calling her a bimbo ONLY when necessary, always giving my reasons for doing so. At least Iris did plenty and made herself stand out. Iris did what? If I recall correctly, the most notable development she got was towards the end of the BW series, and in her Special episode. She was just a screen filler most of the time, along with Cilan (poor Cilan!  ). Serena, albeit an uninteresting stereotype, is objectively the best girl in the series, because  and  Basically, she is everything a protagonist, or, more generally, an average man could ask for; happily give him a blowjob AND make him a sandwich afterwards (this is why they would call me sexist, SeriousJupiter!). Now, in my opinion, the girl who got the most development is May. She started off as a complete eye candy with no apparent motivation, and even maybe a little wily, who got Pokemon as an excuse to travel around (despite initially having as low stamina as Clemont), and ended up a respectable Pokemon loving coordinator, and a standout character overall. Dawn was, well, a step behind May in terms of development. Misty developed backwards. She started off fully developed and standout, and she ended up... Do I really have to mention how she ended up? Iris had potential, but the writers wouldn't give her many chances. Also, I hate to admit it, but I have to agree with SeriousJupiter; one important reason to declare Iris as not only the worst girl, but the worst twerp overall, is this pissing off hypocrisy. Furthermore, it felt like Iris was the most distant and the least friendly twerp of the group. She always made fun of Ash and occasionally acted exactly like him in the very next scene, and she did not hesitate to pick a fight with him for little rhyme or reason. Misty was eager for fights as well, but, come on! Misty wouldn't run off and leave her long time friends behind, just like that! Serena's character development = 0. Ultimate oval-shaped fucking zero! That is, unless you count that one moment where she got over her excessive concern for her appearance, and was willing to get dirty in order to protect her Fennekin. If that counts as a development, then hey! Serena actually got something! |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 21, 2014 18:08:17 GMT -4
Iris was close to Ash and Cilan, just because she got annoyed with both of them at times doesn't mean Iris didn't see them as friends. Friends don't always agree with each other, there are friends who enjoying poking fun at each other and friends even argue at times, there are also people who get annoyed by their friend but still care for them. I mean look at Team Rocket and the countless times they've bickered, yet nobody says they aren't friends or not close to each other. The worse thing you can do in a friendship is worshipping that person because then you don't feel like equals, that person will always be above.
Has anyone noticed the dub has been doing this thing were they give some people and Pokémon their own tune which plays most of the time they're shown?
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Jun 23, 2014 16:41:54 GMT -4
Has anyone noticed the dub has been doing this thing were they give some people and Pokémon their own tune which plays most of the time they're shown? Can't say that I have. |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 23, 2014 17:03:03 GMT -4
I noticed it with Amaura in XY023 (the episode aired in the UK at 21st June) and I've heard it's been done with other characters too, like Serena.
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Post by LUNI_TUNZ on Jun 26, 2014 15:15:31 GMT -4
There is not much. They are a total of four episodes between. Let me give you a brief summary of these episodes: A Gym battle. A Serena filler. A Bonnie filler. A Champion encounter, along with Professor Sexymore. I can take up all four of them, especially considering that I have done the least amount of work so far, but in case you want any of them, you can tell me. Say, if that Bonnie filler's the episode about Flabébé, If you don't mind,I could take it off your hands. I like Flabébé, it's evolutionary line is one of my favorite Gen VI Pokémon. Also, Going for the Gold was a boring episode, so I'd like a mulligan. |
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 27, 2014 7:09:27 GMT -4
Yes, the Bonnie episode is the one with Flabébé and it is way better than the golden Magikarp episode. I won't spoil much, but it is kind of an emotional one. Furthermore, it felt like Iris was the most distant and the least friendly twerp of the group. She always made fun of Ash and occasionally acted exactly like him in the very next scene, and she did not hesitate to pick a fight with him for little rhyme or reason. Misty was eager for fights as well, but, come on! Misty wouldn't run off and leave her long time friends behind, just like that! Sorry for brining this back up, but I also want to add the reason why it's stupid to think Iris wasn't close to Ash and Cilan just because she gets annoyed with them, calling Ash a kid and Cilan a pain, is because it's a common thing in anime to have that one friend who gets annoyed with the stupid things their friends do. Heck some of them even hit their friends if they do anything stupid (like Nami in One Piece or Sakura in Naruto) but it's clearly shown they are still friends - fact; the Straw Hat Pirates are as close as family - which is exactly the same with Iris (who's annoyance is mild compared to characters in most other animes). Friends fight, they get annoyed with each other, but in the end they all still care. And if a silly argument breaks them apart it doesn't take them long to regret it. |
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Post by Die Lobsterguy on Jun 27, 2014 15:45:48 GMT -4
Hey if no one's taken those episodes (dunno if there's more than one but I'm assuming) with Korrina and Lucario I'm callin' dibs.
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 27, 2014 16:54:10 GMT -4
There are five episodes of the Korrina and Lucario arc, just to give you a heads up.
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Post by Die Lobsterguy on Jun 27, 2014 17:56:20 GMT -4
Jesus Christ Lucario doesn't need that many episodes.
I'm takin' 'em all.
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 27, 2014 20:00:07 GMT -4
Yeah, Lucario is very over-hyped by the anime (they might as well make it their second mascot). That is why I hope Ash never gets one, Lucario has been getting more than enough screen time with secondary characters, whom have all kept their Lucario outside of their Pokeballs so you will never miss them.
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Post by Die Lobsterguy on Jun 27, 2014 20:22:39 GMT -4
It's really sort of disgusting to me how much they've been forcing Lucario, with having him in Smash, giving him a Mega, having a Lucario with a good nature and IVs just being HANDED to you in X and Y (which I'm pretty sure none of the other Pokemon gifted to you in that game have). I wanted to do these episodes because I've seen like a dozen .gifs of Lucario beating the shit out of Pikachu on /vp/ and I can't help but feel that it's a really apt metaphor for the franchise as of now in some way.
Worst part is most of the people who are Lucario fans aren't really people who you want as fans of your game. Really makes me wish Zoroark caught on more.
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 28, 2014 6:54:14 GMT -4
I'm surprised Zoroark didn't get the same treatment as Lucario as it also first made its début in a Pokémon movie. Many people were expecting the same, so they were wondering why it was taking so long for Zoroark to appear in the BW series, in the Unova region and when it finally did it wasn't even in Unova, it was on an island that goes in-between Unova and Kanto. I actually have nothing against Lucario, but its fans just make it look bad with their obsession of it. The only time a Lucario has had an average appearance is in the BW series with Cameron. It appeared as a Riolu more and as a Lucario in just two episodes. I was glad about that, because this was only Riolu's second appearance in the show and I felt it needed more love as its evolved form was getting too much. I've seen like a dozen .gifs of Lucario beating the shit out of Pikachu on /vp/ and I can't help but feel that it's a really apt metaphor for the franchise as of now in some way. I'm assuming one of those gifs are mine which I posted on Tumblr. Because it's a very popular gif with lots of notes, so no Pokémon fan on Tumblr can miss it. |
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Post by Die Lobsterguy on Jun 28, 2014 8:20:40 GMT -4
What it really boils down to is availability. In Black and White, you couldn't get a Zorua or Zoroark on your own until you had already beaten the game, since you needed a Celebi or a Legendary Beast from the Gen IV games in order to get one. The only times you're actually made aware that these Pokemon exist is by talking to an NPC in Castelia City and when you fight N for the last time. Compare that to Diamond and Pearl, where Riley gives you a Riolu egg in a place that's not too out of the way, and gets used by Maylene pretty early on as well.
I get the feeling that the Zorua you get that belonged to N (which also had a good nature and an almost perfect IV spread) was in response to that problem, but by then it was too late. It's a real shame, since Zoroark's concept was somewhat clever and he had a cool ability and everything, unlike Lucario, where I still can't tell what it is (don't fucking say he's based on Anubis, they're nothing alike aside from their vaguely similar head shapes).
It also didn't help that the same generation Zoroark debuted with his unique ability, they also introduced team preview for link battles.
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Post by Donkarasu on Jun 28, 2014 9:22:58 GMT -4
I actually would have liked to have seen more of Cameron's Lucario, because it's not the stereotypical stotic and cool Lucario that Auraholics always seem to fangasam over. His Lucario had a fun personality due to Cameron himself. Korrina's Lucario is also somewhat like this, as Korrina is a very hyper and fun girl. Oh god those Auraholics, during the Sinnoh era they were the worst, they were so desperate for Ash to get Lucario that they even insulted his other Pokémon, saying he should dumped one of them for Lucario (I believe Gliscor got hit hardest). They died down once Diamond and Pearl was over, but slowly crawled back up during X/Y what with Korrina giving you a Lucario in the games, but once it was made apparent that Ash wasn't getting a Lucario in Kalos they became calm. What it really boils down to is availability. In Black and White, you couldn't get a Zorua or Zoroark on your own until you had already beaten the game, since you needed a Celebi or a Legendary Beast from the Gen IV games in order to get one. The only times you're actually made aware that these Pokemon exist is by talking to an NPC in Castelia City and when you fight N for the last time. Compare that to Diamond and Pearl, where Riley gives you a Riolu egg in a place that's not too out of the way, and gets used by Maylene pretty early on as well. I get the feeling that the Zorua you get that belonged to N (which also had a good nature and an almost perfect IV spread) was in response to that problem, but by then it was too late. It's a real shame, since Zoroark's concept was somewhat clever and he had a cool ability and everything, unlike Lucario, where I still can't tell what it is (don't fucking say he's based on Anubis, they're nothing alike aside from their vaguely similar head shapes). It also didn't help that the same generation Zoroark debuted with his unique ability, they also introduced team preview for link battles. Yes that is true, Zorua's and Zoroark's appearances in the games were really lacking despite being the first two Pokémon to be revealed before the release of the Black and White games. They both gained the exact same treatment as Lucario with being stars of a Pokémon movie, but were shafted in the B/W games. The Pokémon TV show gave Zorua a good appearance under Luke's ownership, but I am really surprised it took them so long to have a Zoroark appear and it wasn't even in Unova. It was a nice appearance, but it was just a filler, so because of that I'm really wanting to see another Zoroark showing up in the anime. |
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Post by SeriousJupiter on Jun 30, 2014 8:14:26 GMT -4
I don't consider myself an Auraholic, but I do love Lucario and I think being serious and stoic really suits their species. Still, I don't want Ash to get a Lucario and I never did. Like you said, they get enough screentime as is and it's obvious that Korrina only has one Lucario in the anime. I also agree with everything you said about Zoroark. Poor thing, it got no love whatsoever in the anime and almost as little in the games.
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