Next time for movies: Victini! any suggestions of which one to watch first? Should I watch them back to back or squeeze Kyurem in between?
White features Zekrom while Black features Reshiram. So I guess go with the mascot you like most as your first choice?
Other than that, watch them however you want, if you really feel the need to? The thing about these movies is that they're a lot like the two version games, in that they are both practically the same movies, just with slight design differences here and there and some of the Pokemon that get shown. The biggest difference would be which mascot legendary is the focus, and even then the story isn't that different. You could probably write the same summary for both movies and just have to swap somds words like Zekrom/Reshiram and ideals/truth. So I think most people are content to just watch one version of the movie.
It's really that much of a gimmick then? I had gotten the impression there were some changes between them, but if it's really that minor...
The Black and White movies are basically the same movie with slightly different elements (when I say slightly, I'm talking about various pokémon, swapping settings around a bit, one movie has Ash using Reshiram, one has Ash using Zekrom, certain pokémon being shiny in one movie, certain other pokémon being shiny in the other). And basically that's it. The core plot and the dialog are the same.
Post by Aotrs Commander on Nov 14, 2016 10:38:58 GMT -4
Well. That's disappointing... I was expecting that the execution of what might have been a rather interesting conceot to have been a bit more than essentially pallet-swapping, and have them subtly different...
So I guess they were really just trying to see if they could get twice as much money from the films like they can with the games (which was never going to happen, since the functions ae fundementally different...)
Given how this was an experiment not repeated, I think it says how well that turned out...
Post by Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover on Nov 14, 2016 15:13:56 GMT -4
Those two movies have different soundtracks, too (both of which the dub kept). Personally, I like the "Victini and Zekrom" soundtrack better than the "Victini and Reshiram" one. It makes me wish Akifumi Tada and Kazuhiko Sawaguchi had composed for more Pokemon stuff.
-Ryu, loyal friend to and devoted defender of Pokémon's English dub, and protective of anyone else who is.
Post by Aotrs Commander on Dec 16, 2016 21:56:52 GMT -4
Okay, wow, I let this pile up a bit! I knew I'd got a fair bit to blither on, but I hadn't realised it was, like, most of the season!
But let's run down the entire of the rest of Kalos Quest then!
A Slippery Encounter! The moment Goomy landed on Ash's head, I thought "yeah, that's gonna be one of his Pokémon."
One for the Goomy! Dedenne steps up the the plate, and Bonnie shows again, while she might lack Clemont's genius, she's arguabely still the sharpest member of the group, because she's not fooled for a moment by Meowth.
Thawing an Icy Panic! Fairly middle of the road (for this series) Pokémon of the week episode, though it wasn't until the last minute I realsied we were dealign with the next gym leader.
The Green, Green Grass Types of Home! Ash cannot garden. He can however, kick some Grass. Under the Pledging Tree! Ash, you leaving Pikachu behind and going off with Serena makes this practically a date, you realise, wait, no, of course you don't... To Serena's hilarious distress. I think they should be making much more of this, honestly, Serena is kind of... A bit wet otherwise. She has a few moments where she shines, but she's just too agreeable most of the rest of it.
A Showcase Debut! Did... Serens just pull a Sakura Haruno on us...?
We finally get to see Serena do a Pokémon showcase! And... Um, actually, it's kind of diappointing. Contests were much better. I thought Serena was handling it really well, though, until she had that breakdown on the pier. (Which was a realistic reaction, and rather well done, I thought.)
An Oasis of Hope! Goomy kicks arese and evolves.
The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination! Pikachu gets controlled and xap Ash again (dude is practically resistant to the point it barely phases him now). Clemont standing up to it is rather more impressive, though. Round of applause, that man.
I liked that they detached Clemont for a bit before the gym battle.
A Fork in the Road! A Parting of the Ways! They better fracking not be going where I think they are going they better not be going where I think they are go- oh, wiat they are not going where I thoguht they were going, because Wobuffet is fucking awesome (though does deserve a better trainer than Jessie...)
Battling with Elegance and a Big Smile! Serena snaps under the pressure and actually raises her voice. My goodness.
Good Friends, Great Training! I'm pretty sure if Ash wasn't Sliggoo's trainer It Does Not Work That Way. Also, that was pretty fracking fast!
Confronting the Darkness! Oh Clemont. You really have out-and-out created mechanical life, haven't you? (And oh dear, Dark Clembot just got murdered...) This was a hilariously silly episode.
The Moment of Lumiose Truth! Ash and Clemont have fracking good battle.
Garchomp's Mega Bond! Gachomp is going to be in the running for "Pokémon most mind-controlled" after Pikachu...
Defending the Homeland! and Beyond the Rainbow! Good two-parter to wrap-up Goodra's arc (because of course we couldn't have strong dragon-type around for long, could we...!)
So You're Having a Bad Day! Bonnie episode. I'm coming to rapidly love these, and this was cracking. Bonnie - again - doesn't take any shit from Meowth, proving she's smarter than... Any of Ash's previous travelling companions.
Scary Hospitality! What's the twist with old huanted house routine this time, then, since we've basically has every pumutation...? Okay, a double combo of yes it was Ghost Pokémon - and an actual ghost. I figured it out a little before, once I realised we'd never see the chap touch anything. It was pretty much this episode and Bonnie's "I ain't afraid of no ghost," attitude that cemented my opinion of her (more at the end). A Fashionable Battle! A big fashion show that remarkably does not require Ash to be in drag at any point. New recurring character gets his arse solidly handed to him, though.
Fairy-Type Trickery!Pahahahahahahaha! Oh, Ash! Only YOU could fucking BREAK Trick Room. This was glorious and hilarious.
Rivals: Today and Tomorrow! Sawyer learns that reading you book whuile battlign does not, in fact, help. And also he needs to be a bit more careful about storing his priceless data.
A Not-So-Flying Start! This was a great episode. Hawlucha and Fletchinder excelled themselves, the former especially.
A Relay in the Sky! WHAT! Ash entered a competiive event that other people have trained their lives for... and DOESN'T win? I think the world must be ending!
(Seriously, though, nice change of pace!)
A Frenzied Factory Fiasco! Another really good episode. It was amazing to see Pikachu's Pokéball actually get used (and for a second, I thought the unthiankble might happen). Apparently all the paint wore off, but then again, it's been 18 years, six years (and definitely not less than that, given it's literally impossible or Pokémon Earth orbits much further out). The battle in the factory between Meowth and Pikachu was amazing, we don't see this sort of thing often enough, Pikachu being let off his leashm rather than be Ash's batman. (Not Ash's Batman, but that would hilarious...)
Performing with Fiery Charm! Serena's big performance, in which Jessie is more of a dick than usual and... Performances continue nto be just a little bit naff.
Rotom's Wish! Ash Breaks Time. Again. I am surprised that Celebi and Dialga don't just follow him around with sticks to smack him with at this point.
A Festival Trade! Oh wow. That... Jessie and Gourgiest are WAAAY to into each other.
On the other hand, now I've seen Gorgiest and actually grock it better, it's actually not as dumb-looking as I thought at all. Never really twigged the head wasn't the pumpkin bit. S'actually a pretty good Pokémon design, to my surprise. Just goes to show, sometimes you need to see them move around to appreciate them.)
Over the Mountain of Snow! Oh hey, Serena gets to do something pretty cool again...
Adventures in Running Errands! I reallyt enjoyed this episode. It's basically nothing but archetypical filler, nothing of consequence happens, it's just the character dicking around. And it's GREAT. (And also, fucking hell Bunnelby and Chespin, way to pummel Tem Rocket by yourselves. Ash didn't even really need to have turned up (and I think it would have been even better if they hadn't bothered with that, since it's not like he needed to do anything.)
Mending a Broken Spirit! This was another great character episode. The old guy is a bit of dick, though...
Is it just me, or is there something about Braxien, though. I dunno. It (she, I am going to assume) seems way more uncanny valley to me than any other Pokémon I can think of (including the obvious like the other humanoids). I dunno. She just seems so much more... I dunno, people-like, if you take my meaning. And I say that as someone who generally dislikes anthropamorph humanoids (e.g. your typical "alien which is a humand with animal features") with a passion. It's not bad, or anything, it just seems... Unusual to me.
And James reminds me why he's the only one of Team Rocket (aside from their Pokémon) I have time for.
A Legendary Photo Op! Fucking hell, Fletchling - sorry Talonflame. And you can now go into the small number of Ash's Pokémon that went straight up-solo against a legendary. Charizard ows you a high, uh, wing.
The Tiny Caretaker! Another Bonnie episode. Again, she is going to fracking terrifying when she's older. She evolved Tyrunt faster than Ash would have (and unlike Ash, she's going to start out with a fuck-ton more practical experience).
A Trip Down Memory Train! This was a nice change of pace, showcasing Bunnelby, who I think up until this last half of the season has been somewhat underappreciated as a pretty kick-arse dude. I'mma tippin' my hat to him.
Lights! Camera! Pika! This was a remarkably silly episode. Remarkably silly, but hilarious. And there are bloopers. Because of course there are bloopers. (Seriously though, that dude is a bit way to into Pikachu, and I say that as someone whose favoruite Pokémon is Pikachu...)
A Frolicking Find in the Flowers! Serena gets an Eevee.
Tag Team Battle Inspiration! Yes Ash, of course your suggestion for the solution to a shy Popkemon is to make it battle.
Poor Chespin though, he's trying so damn hard!
A Performance Pop Quiz! Serena's second perforamce victory. Not really much to say here. The thing about the performances is clear by ths point, that they are basically a bit like quiz show sort of thng (literally this time) and I don't do that sort of show. So, unlike contests, they just don't dop anything for me.
Cloudy Fate, Bright Future! Oh, hey the The Plot! what time do you call this? Two episodes before the last season of the arc? Git yer but in gear!
I was actually going to address this in the overiew (I started typing up this post before I watched the last three episodes, so as not to be hours late for sleep!), but as the plot finally showed up... What XY really has been missing is the grand threat. DP did it best, though Hoenn wasnt too bad and even BW started out right (even tough it was trying to do so with Team Rocket). Without the overarching plot, XY has lacked any sense of urgancy or forboding. DP did a bang up job, foreshadowing the final conflicts with a couple of episodes early on (I think only one or two in the first season). But that - and along with Paul (a much more serious rival and I think, the best of the entire series) and the appearances of Hunter J, added some solid grist to the mill. XY has - until this last stage, been lacking that and to the series deteriment. It really could have done with foreshadowing it a little bit, and episode here or there (and if it did that in the specials, that's no excuse, it needed to have done it in the main series).
BW was on the right track, and the derailing of the plot because of the Plasma/Rocket episode being cut and the series re-written was one of the reasons I think BW suffered; it slipped into Johto syndrome a little bit (though nowhere near as bad2). All Eyes on the Future! And we finish the series with a truly cracking gym battle. Dear FRAG Talonflame may be Ash's best Flying type (excluding Chjarizard's secondary typing!) and Frogadier was fracking badass as always. And this is how, BW, you do some proper Ash strategising. (Though I would be surprised at Clemont (and Bonnie) not picking up what Pikachu was doing; though I suppose that had to be a concession to the nominal target audience!)
So, overall then, this definitely stepped up from the last season. Serena has a goal and gets to do a few things.
Unfortunately, though, one of the things is the performances and they are... Underwhelming. I'm sorry, I'm not a fan of cooking shows and whatnot nor fashion, so the only bit of the contests I find interesting is the final performance itself. And that is basically the OPENING round of a contest, without the excitement of the battle thereafter (and the subtle differences to regular battles therein).
Bonnie, however, more than makes up for it. She's become my favourite character (aside from Ash, obviously) of the humans, which astounds me, since the "young child" characters tend not to appeal to me. (That said, Jubilee of the X-Men is my favourite character of anything ever; though obviously, though younger than the adult X-Men, she's still older than Bonnie.) But no. Bonnie is smart, sharp and already an excellent trainer with her head screwed on straight (more than can be said of Ash at start). She's also not exempt from the being the butt of the joke... And her sardonism belies her years. I think she ranks right up with Dawn and Misty as being one of the best female companions (and can stand proud with the companions overall, with the likes of Brock and Cilan1.) I say again, when she starts her Pokémon journey proper, she's going to have the benefits of her own intelligence and knowledge (which is definitely above average, if not Clemont's literal savantcy), plus all the experience from the jountry with Ash, probably several Pokemon she might pick back up on the way, plus an Ash-like laid-backness and lack of fear (probably not a little influenced from Ash himself of course).
If in umpteen years (so, like season 90 or something...) if she isn't fucking champion, there's no justice.
That will be it for XY for the moment, until the XYZ DVDs come out (when I will see if the evolutions specials are contained thereon or thence track them down on teh interwebs), which might be a month or few. Still got a load of movies to work through though, in the meantime!
1So that makes BW and XY two for two in having companion characters I wasn't expecting much of that very much surprised me.
2 Johto had far too few plot episodes (i.e. gym battles) spread across far too many episodes. It worked okay with the Indigo and Orange seasons, since the first it was all new and the second was much shorter. Jotho essentially tried to spread the "plot" of the 80 episodes of season one across over double that and it just didn't work. Hoenn was absolute right in bringing in contests, as it gave the characters something else to do (ditto DP). BW suffered by not having them, and XY's performances - while not a great substitute - do work for the purpose, buit could have done with starting earlier. (Heck, it would have worked if even if it was Ash doing, like both; a change is as good as a rest!)
Post by Aotrs Commander on Mar 28, 2017 20:43:57 GMT -4
Yes, it did actually take me three months to get around to watching Black/White the movie! Between Christmas and panto and various other things (like writing up/errataing/re-indexing all my D&D spells - that took a solid month)... I wasn't that it slipped my mind, it was just finding the time to watch it with the energy to blither about it!
So, anyway, I went with White (Victini and Zekrom) for the sake or argument...
Not even five minutes in, and Ash is already risking his neck to save random Pokémon.
I'm pretty sure that Victini didn't even really help Ash all that muich with the leap, because he's' Ash Motherfucking Ketchum and that wasn't even him trying...!
I love how Ash just takes getting psychic navigation instructions in stride and without even a comment. And wouldn't you, if you'd seen the shit Ash has?
I've watched so much in between watching this and watching Best Wishes that the fact the competition was more of Unova's obsession with one-on-ones didn't even occur to me until the end credits were rolling.
Um, Victini... I'm... pretty sure boosting Tepig is cheating or something?
Standard Movie Girl Character? You just saw Victini boost Scraggy, you're not gonna call him out on it? No? Okay, then...
(Still, I s'pose it makes a change to take it in stride like that, rather than kick up a fuss, since she rightly assumes Ash was none-the-wiser. (Mind you, that describes Ash most of the time....!))
Took me until halfway through to realise the utterly pointless Team Rocket cameos were coming supposedly during BW season one, where they should have been in the black uniforms and being compartively competant. Here, they were just their usual selves... And even by the low standards of their movie appearances, completely pointless. They should at least have found SOMETHING for the Rockets to do; it annoys me when they have them appear just for the sake of appearing.
Damon... that's... that's not asking or lending, dude.
Okay, so this time, we have a misguided idiot as the antagonist, and the old hubris-comuppance... And the rest of the movie plays out as you'd expect, with the possible exception of the stone sword ship nearly making into Space. The only real novelty is NOT having Victini telepathically speak.
Also "dragon force" was a bit of an odd thing to call the mcguffin-energy-of-the-movie, because all it did was immediately make thing of a certain band (that I am only familiar with due to the Dragonball Z Abridged).
Still, it wasn't bad, just a bit workman like. Not at the same level of the DP movies, but about the level I expected, really. BW's strength was the character work, and as usual, the Pokémon characters (save Pikachu) more-or=less don't even appear (Snivy and Pidove didn't even get out of their Pokéballs; Arceus forfend Ash having his team gang up on one Pokemon, even when it means SAVING SOMEONE'S LIFE.)
Not really much to say about this one, after all that time...!
I shall return with the next movie in due course - no idea when, it might be later this week or not... I'm having a (minor) operation a week on Sunday, which may mean me being laid up a fair bit for a week or two (I dunno), and I may or may not be up to blithering (largely depending on whether I can sit down or not)... But I will get there eventually...!
Post by Aotrs Commander on Jul 8, 2017 22:52:53 GMT -4
I still live! (Metaphorically speaking.)
So, as I now have the XY & Z DVDs, I tracked down and watched - as adivsed - the Mega-Evolution Specials.
Well. They were certainly... special.
Plot-relevant, yes, but ye gods. I was actually really bored between the handful of minutes of Interesting Things Happening across those four episodes. I ended up havig to watch them all indivdually, since they were such a dull sit, I couldn't face more than one at once. It does not help in the slightest that of the two main characters, one suffers from a complete lack of personality and the other is a poorly-executed over-used steriotype.
I have seen many things from Pokémon, but being utterly bored by a Pokémon battle is a first. Alian is not someone I could ever distantly root for - he's got the combination of too-cool-for-this backed up by stupidity (I mean seriously, he's so naive) and nothing more than stubborness. It wasn't until the last fight of episode fout I realised that it's because he uses no tactics, no cleverness, it's just hit attacks with brute force one after another. And it's SO DULL to watch. So I don't care if he wins, because I have zero investment in him as a character. I am only mildly amused if he loses, because he annoys me. He manages - despite having the same voice actor, who I actally kinda like - less charisma than Neji Hyuuga.
Maron was little better, I found her just rubbish. She's in the Bonnie vein, only wher Bonnie is frigging awesome, Maron is just falt without any of Bonnie's positve character traits. And Chespy could have been Chespin, since they seemed to have identical personalities (except for Chepin having, y;know, more of one).
Really, I could have watched about ten minutes out of that with the taking the Giant Rock and then Chespy releasing Zygarde and I would not have missed anything.
So yeah, while I watched it all this once, I doubt I'll ever be rushing back to thse because urrrgh.
Still, I can now start on XY&Z soon with a clear conscience.
Until next time (assuming anyone is even bothering to read...! Sadly, I'm sufficiently bloody-minded to, having started the blithering, drag it on to the bitter end, whether or not anyone does...!)
I laughed every time they said that because it's such a dumn, lazy name.
Post by Aotrs Commander on Jul 11, 2017 21:18:13 GMT -4
Right, now we've gopt the specisl oiut of the way, I can finally start on the series!
From A to Z! Well. I'm glad Don made a point of telling me to wtach the specials. For all the majority of the blandness of them, I would have missed about half the context for this first episode! So once again, thanks!
I tip my that especially to the "who's that Pokémon" segment (and the resounding "uhh..."), because that was funny.
Squishy is interesting. Don't work quite like that in the games...!
Also, good to know Team Flare are so stupid to be so internecine. Mind you, they may be the silliest team (with the possible exception of Team Skull, but I'm not far enough into game1 and not seen the anime to pass judgement...)
Love Strikes! Eevee, Yikes! That is one perverted Quiladin.
Bunnelby is fracking awesome.
Honestly, it wasn't until the episode was over I realised it was a filler. Good job, nicely done. A Giga Battle With Mega Results! Huh. I must be slipping. I totally didn't twig that was a Joy until she revealed herself.
Again, nice to see a Joy with a bit of personality (as opposed to the generic Joys).
And Team Rocket were straight back on Pikachu after failig to grab Squishy last episode. But hey. They actually thought to grab Ash as well as Pikachu, so occasionally some trace of the competance of BW lingers.
Did Mega-Audino just beat Team Rocket by making them high? (The alternative is too dirty to consider.) I did not know Heal Bell worked that way...
Well, that's off to a grand start!
(Of course, I did force myself through two episodes of the original Thundercats this afternoon as well and I think that made my IQ lower. Unlike Centurions, which is a joy to watch and has held up, Thundercats is in the shallow end of the quality pool with regard to 1980s cartoons with MASK and Jayce ad the Wheeled Warriors...)
1Yes, I had Moon at Christmas. Yes, it takes me THAT LONG to play the games. Look, I've not got to the 8th gym with my SoulSilver yert...! (I play glaically slow...! I do insist on breeding an EV training my teams (for single player, yes I KNOW), though...)
Post by Aotrs Commander on Sept 9, 2017 18:19:26 GMT -4
I am still at it...! Sheer-bloody-mindedness and all that!
I have had something of an enforced break, because Mum had a new puppy, and this has meant I have not had access to the DVD player in the front room for a month or two, since that's where the puppy pen is. But this - they're all away, so time to catch up!
Before I progres, let me try and do a little summary of what I'd watched previously (as much as I can remember and recall...!)
A Fiery Rite of Passage!
I was half-convinced Litleo ws going to be joining the team. Otherwise, an unremarkable episode.
Dream a Little Dream from Me! What is this? An episode where all the Pokémon (save Pikachu) actually do the talking thing? HUZZAH! About time! Was it really the Island of Gian tPokémon since we had this last?
This was a cracking an hilarious episode. I was especially deeply amused by the fact that Squishy is not, in factm a shy and retiring child, but a concesending dick with an upper-class accent. Glorious.
The Legend of the Ninja Hero! & A Festival of Decisions!
Back to the Village In the... Wait, this IS literally a hidden ninja village! Crikey. I half-expected Naruto to show up at any moment.
Pretty good pair of episodes, and of course Ash being awesome with Greninja.
A Dancing Debut!
Showcase episode. Meh. Sorry folks, no matter how hard you try, I just can't get invested in these like I could with the contests.
Meeting at Terminus Cave!
PLOT HAPPENS! It is awesome.
A Cellular Connection!
Again, Bunnelby is the fucking badass. Damn, that bunny is frickin' ridiculous. And Bonnie shows she really is going to another Ash.
A Windswept Encounter!
Pahaa! That Breloom is a dick.
You have the chance to ask Ash to a dance. An actual, formal dance and everything.
And you ask CLEMONT?
Still, Clemont old chap, I think you've clearly got a chance on her rebound, mate.
A Meeting of Two Journeys!
Ayup. It's that Alain bugger again, bein' miserable as always.
Also, apparently, Greninja isn't mega-evolving, which measn Ash found a way to Break Reality in an entirely NEW HAX way. Score!
An Explosive Operation!
Alain is a bloody idiot...
A Watershed Moment!
There ar a LOT of sapient robots trotting around these days.
But hey - kudos, Pokémon, for not skipping round the fact that Chapman clearly died.
Master Class Choices!
Showcase episode. Yay, Serena got into the finals, only another episode or two and I won't have to bored as much.
An Electrifying Rage!
Fracking hell. Talonflame goes up against a legendary bird single-taloned AGAIN (and this time at type disadvantage). Use Talonflame more of ten Ash, its fraggin awesome. Also, Hawlucha and Noivern also kick legendary arse, to the best of their abilities.
Unlocking Some Respect!
A fairly moribund filler episode for an equally moribund Pokémon.
Master Class Is in Session! and Performing a Pathway to the Future!
Yay, we can finally see the back of the showcases. Serena makes it to the penultimate round, but doesn't win. Could we see that coming... Mostly, though Jessie did extremely well, for once. But done and done!
A Keeper for Keeps?
Bonnie... That... that was exactly what you wanted you dope! so, its fine to embarrass Clemont all the time by trying to pick up ladies for him, but when one actually does, you throw a wobbly? Make up your mind, child.
Clemont... Clemont is like the anti-Brock. He seems to attract the ladies like nobody's business. (Mind you, let's be fair - he's the gym leader who LITERALLY MADE ROBOT LIFE and is well-in with all manner of top scientists and whatnot; he probably has the best prospects for attracting interest out of any of Ash's companions.)
Right! DVD break, while we watch the next three...!
Battling at Full Volume!
This was a fun episode... In spite of Jimmy, who is in the running for most obnoxious guest star in Pokémon. And Team Rocket's motto, which was this time almost unbearably bad.
Otherwise - this is the sort of thing they SHOULD have been doing with Serena from the get go. More of this sort of thing, less of the tedious and underwhelming showcase stuff.
And, oh Ash, you take, like a couple of paracetamol and just walk off a high ever. Even in-universe, everyone remarks on that. You are so HAX. And it is glorious. The Synchronicity Test!
And much battling. Also, the whole paralysis thing is not so good.
But... I know Ahs is Ash, but maybe... Get medical help when one collapses, guys? Clemont? Nurse Joy? Anyone? No?
Making Friends and Influencing Villains!
Pretty banal filler episode. Not much to say really. Toned down the whole "formed from stumps possessed by a spirit" from "possessed by the spirit of dead children who died lost in the forest" did we? That being said, its possible that Serena just didn't know (or just give voice to) that last part. And the slightly chilling implication behind that combined with "people getting lost in the forest" makes for some... interesting thought.
So, one quite good episode, some Plot or something and a filler. Until the next time... Hopefully more this week, while I have chance to do so...!
Post by Aotrs Commander on Sept 11, 2017 20:57:23 GMT -4
Next trio, striking at this while I still have chance!
Championing a Research Battle!
Unholy shit, Ash!
You two came THIS close to actually beating the Champion's freaking primary Pokémon! That was fracking beautiful. The look of dawning realisation on Diantha's face when she realised that yes, this is true 100% Ash-HAX was glorious, not the least since (unlike, say MOTHERFUCKING THUNDER ARMOUR!) she is someone who appreicates the full depth of the what-the-actual-fuck is going on.
That fact that Ash evidently does not win the league is a crying tragedy more than ever (and probably speaks to Story-Says-So guff with Alain, unless I miss my guess (no spoilers, I'll get there...!))
A Full-Strength Battle Surprise!
Another episode whch is basically one long awesome battle.
(And with no largely pointless Team Rocket cameo, either. Last episode was a bit of a backslide in that regard, in my (somewhat unpopular) opinion...)
Doublade is, in full motion, way cooler than I ever thought. Just goes to show that, often, you need to see something moving around properly (not just the handful of animations you get in the games) to fully appreciate it.
Hmm. I wonder if the reason Ash and Greninja didn't merge was that this time, they just weren't quite hard pressed enough; maybe its that little extra edge that pushes them.
Or he just failed his skill check this time or something.
All Hail the Ice Battlefield!
An ANOTHER battle episode! We're on a roll today! This, right here, is why I watch the show!
Though I think once again, Ash failed here because he just went on the offense without his usual tactics - with the exception of the water-shuriken into the gyroball, he didn't try anything clever, just hit attack after attack. And he's at his best when thinking.
(Though once again, HE ALMOST BEAT THE CHAMPION'S TOP POKÉMON!!!!)
Still, the show sort of went out of its way to then show that wasn't an auto-win card, with Greninja getting pummelled twice in a row. (Else by rights Ash should easily win every fight he enters.)
Avalug is ALSO much better looking in full animation than in the stills of the game animation.
So a good, solid trio that is really spoiling me with all thse whacking great fights. Why can't we have more of this!
Post by Aotrs Commander on Sept 12, 2017 22:11:55 GMT -4
Seeing the Forest for the Trees!
This was an interesting episode. It's been quite a while since we saw Ash lose his shit like that (right out of the blue); good job Serena has toughened up a bit to hit back.
Again though, how many trainers would be able to coax wild Pokémon like Ash does...?
Holy shit, though... Ash... must have been able to SEE through Greninja's eyes during that fal. That's... like, ridiculously awesome.
And Squishy actively lends a hand, I think for about the first time directly.
The Pikachu B plot (if two scenes with Team Rokcet can count as a B plot) was weird, slightly nonsensical and didn't go anywhere. You could have it out and it would have had no bearing on the episode. Honestly, this was another episode where Team Rocket were just shoehorned in. And they'd gotten so good about not doing that this region...
A Real Icebreaker!
Back to the Ice gym to fight Wulfric.
Gotta give the guy credit, his own clear excitement and intensity really made the battle pop out this time.
Interesting choice of Avalugg being in the middle, and Abomasnow being the final, since last time Abomasnow went down.
Hoyl shit, Talonflame though, making a serious damn effort to do both Charizard and Greninja, ain't it? By 'eck, Talonflame's got more steel in it than an Aggron!
THAT'S why Abomasnow was last. I clean forgot it had a mega. And fer-racking hell, that is BIG.
But frack, Greninja, way to hurl it around like it was nuthin'!
Yeah. THAT was a cracking gym battle, really living up to both this region's excellent dynamic animation, but managing to even surprise me, and Ash's unconventional tactics back in as well.
The Kalos League is going to be painful, isn't it?
A Diamond in the Rough!
Filler episode, but, hey, it's Goodra, which makes it much more interesting and less "episode of the week."
That Carbink is a dick.
However, I don't recall seeing that often them having a load of Pokémon of the same type with several noticably different voices. Nice touch.
Florges is still totally unstable, good to see...!
Aaaand then at the end we have Alain winning his 8th gym badge.
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME.
Alain is so super-special awesome that he can manage to win eight gym badges in the space of SEVEN. EPISODES.
Fuck off, XY, just fuck off.
"Alain beats Ash in the Leugue" is now so poorly fucking telegraphed, why are we even bothering? Seriously, this is worse than Camaron in Unova. Not ONLY did you hide the main plot in four episodes (which were mostly crap at that) that you couldn't be arsed to make part of the main series (seriously, you could have sprinkled that crap in over the course of the first two seasons), but now you're favouring Alain in a way that makes a complete MOCKERY of basically every other rival Ash has ever had AND Ash AND pretty much every other trainer in the Leagues ever; because apparently Alain can just breeze through and entire year's worth of effort in little more than can only be a few days, a week or two at the most.
That is complete. BULL.SHIT.
Even fucking Trip, shit as he was (and nevermind an actual decent rival like Paul) had to work at it, but no. Alain breezes in at the last minute and can magically somehow manage to that.
It's such a glaring plot-hole that it is dangerously impeding the whole damn show, which was otherwise reaching a high point. This ia grade A bad self-insert fanwank fanfiction material, it really is; right down to the "he's such a bad boy, but he's got a heart of gold because he likes* his immensely annoying travelling girl-child companion, but he's all withdrawn and driven and blahblahblah."
So. That ended this session on a really depressing note.
Post by Aotrs Commander on Sept 14, 2017 21:02:19 GMT -4
Last night of my peace and quiet - the mob (and puppy) are back tomorrw, so let's get another trio done while I have the chance!
A Gaggle of Gadget Greatness!
So. Um. that... Happened. That was about as filler as you can get, except there wasn't even much Pokémon in it... It was more like an extended mousetrap. And repeating nearly verbatim, back-to-back Team Rocket using their pokéball stealing machine was very redundant.
Still, it at the same time was not as terrible as some episodes I've seen, and it was different, I suppose so...
Also, Jessie? You're an idiot.
Even more than usual.
A League of His Own!
Aaaand... Here we go.
Really, Ash, if Serena wasn't there...
Off to a "promising" start, since Trevor gets humilatingly whomped by Alian (shock, horror) and doesn't even get the dignity of being allowed to put up a good fight, or even be witnessed, since Ash is being a fracking idiot and fighting with some sorry-for-himself dickhead.
And we finally get to the first round, and Ash's opponent doesn't even get the dignity of a proper battle either. Sorry, Pokémon, what happened to the early leagues, where the battles were important and Ash faced a load of interesting opponents?
(Sinnoh got away with it because all Ash opponents were long-runnign recurring characters and we got to see the rival (the proper actual rival) culimate at the end of the series with the only three-part battle in series history to this point. But that's starting to strain the credibility if it happens every time.)
Still - BIG plus, at least the damn Kalos league has the decency to start out with a proper three-on-three.
Valuable Experience for All!
So. We're just gonna skip pretty much the whole league, are we? So, we aren't going to use the excuse to dig out the old favourites to work through the early rounds, and use the current team for the big rival fights?
I mean, I wouldn't mind even that if we actually got to SEE ASH FUCKING COMPETE.
And yet Trevor literally got more screentime getting his ass kicked so than Ash has.
And oh look, Alain verses no-name-but-slightly-different-design-man. Yeah, the final is going to be Alain verses Ash so Ash is going to lose. Because of course.
At least Tierno and Sawyer's battle was actually good, and Tierno got himself a respectable send-off.
Seriously, XYZ, you just had an episode of utterly pointless filler that didn't even do anything interesting with character or even a okémon of the week! Could you not have, I dunno, used that episode to MAKE THE LEAGUE BETTER?
(Still, at least Ash made it to semi-final/final this time.)
Dammit. The Unova and Kalos Leagues are shaping up to be pretty disappointing (not unexpectedly, since a few of Don's pointed comments have suggested so), which is depressing, since they were always the absolute higlight of the series.
Sinnoh had a three-part-battle (at the end of the series!) that resolved a four-season rivialy arc and it was EPIC. That's how you do a league.
Oh well, the league is sort of a side-plot to the rest of the season this time, so once this predicatable travsety is out of the way, I'm expecting the rest should be pretty good.
I will eat my helmet if my league predictions are wrong, by-the-by.
That might be it again for a bit, depends on how long it is before I can start using the front room to watch DVDs again; but even if goes Horribly Quiet for a bit again, rest assured, I will get back to this!
(And treyboss96, I do appreciate the likes, it's nice to have confirmation that someone is still reading!)
Post by treyboss96 on Sept 15, 2017 12:00:00 GMT -4
I will be here for you man!
Hey there people! I'm a huge fan of the anime and want to learn everything about it. As you can see from my status, I like Dubs a lot and mostly prefer them over JP especially includes Pokemon, but I'll at least still give it a chance for fair play. Anyway, Glad to be here!
ShiningStarlia: I remember her voicing a blind kid who was healed by Fat Buu back in Z. And that must've been like, almost 20 years ago I think!
Dec 6, 2018 0:08:07 GMT -4
Donkarasu: It's funny, despite Ribrianne getting so much hate (not me, I think she's an entertaining character and love the Magical Girl parody Toei added with her and her team mates) people were excited to hear that Veronica Taylor was voicing Ribrianne.
Dec 6, 2018 6:04:19 GMT -4
ShiningStarlia: In a way though. I personally have no problem with her and think her magical girl parody is hilarious and her transformation is meant to look hideous that even in-universe Vegeta couldn't bring himself to punch her when she tried to use Rollout on him.
Dec 8, 2018 0:28:31 GMT -4
ShiningStarlia: Though considering how much screentime she soaks up, I can see where most of the complaints come from. Then again, one can say the same thing about the Saiyans (U6 and U7) so who am I to complain? Haha.
Dec 8, 2018 0:29:21 GMT -4
Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover: I think the forum's banner pic should be changed to Tsareena's butt closeup from today's episode. Pokemopolis thrives on easy-to-take-out-of-context stuff like that.
Dec 8, 2018 18:08:39 GMT -4
Donkarasu: So have been hearing Movie 21 has a heart warming story, it's not another movie that shoehorns in a Mythical and/or Legendary Pokémon for the sake of views, but rather their use in the plot is respectable, all characters get to do something notable, etc.
Dec 9, 2018 9:41:38 GMT -4
Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover: While that's true, it did still default to the whole "mythical/legendary hates humans until it meets Ash and friends" formula. Some parts of the old formula just had to stick around.
Dec 10, 2018 21:52:31 GMT -4
Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover: Everything else was fresh and well-done, though. And though I trash the music (the only weak point of the movie, and boy is it an Achilles' Heel; that is except for the dub's ending song), the movie itself is spectacular.
Dec 10, 2018 21:54:07 GMT -4
Donkarasu: Actual so-called-music that deserves to be called "noise" is whatever 4kids used in their dub for One Piece. Music you don't like, but can still clearly hear the instruments, should be called "bad music", calling it "noise" is just a petty insult.
Dec 14, 2018 12:09:50 GMT -4
Donkarasu: There were no instruments used for the 4kids' One Piece dub music, it was all synthesizers.
Dec 14, 2018 12:13:09 GMT -4
Donkarasu: Also that dub of that thing which when I showed Ryu the Japanese verison of long ago he said it was fine, but when I brought it up again, Ryu got all aggressive and started saying the original version was bad, despite the dub having all the flaws.
Dec 14, 2018 12:17:09 GMT -4
Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover: You never showed me that thing any more than once. And also, you showed me it in a failed attempt to make me like something about the JP version.
Dec 14, 2018 12:29:39 GMT -4
Donkarasu: Yes I did actually, I showed it to you to show you that when the narrator started singing it wasn't like in Brother Bear, like you thought (when the song was put over one character explaining something to another) but rather she was singing with them.
Dec 14, 2018 18:16:26 GMT -4
Donkarasu: Only you believe it was to get you to like the original, while I was just correcting your misinformation.
Dec 14, 2018 18:18:09 GMT -4
Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover: That first time was just a correction (and back then, the JP version hadn't fully earned my utter abhorrence). The second time was an attempt to sway me.
Dec 14, 2018 19:35:55 GMT -4
Donkarasu: No it wasn't, it was me having to get this thing out of my mind and so the best way was to let it out and share my thoughts with others. I mean by that logic, I guess you telling me that Popplio says "Arwoo" and Ashimari doesn't is you forcing me to like
Dec 15, 2018 6:14:45 GMT -4
Donkarasu: the dub voice and sway me away from the Japanese one, despite the fact that Popplio only goes "Pop! Pop!" and I have listen to Ashimari's voice more than enough to fully confirm it says what I said it does. But don't worry, I won't make that assumption.
Dec 15, 2018 6:26:40 GMT -4
Donkarasu: Oh and by the way, I do like the dub voice, but for a different reason from why I like the Japanese one.
Dec 15, 2018 6:30:30 GMT -4
ShiningStarlia: All in all that was a good two parter: wish it lasted longer! And as for Dragonball Super, goodness it was great hearing Veronica Taylor again. She used bits of her May voice in the most recent dub episode.
Dec 16, 2018 12:35:04 GMT -4
Ryu Taylor, Dub Lover: HUGE dub-related news: Matori's dub name (or rather, only name since the dub kept her name as Matori) has finally been said in a dub episode.
Dec 16, 2018 18:51:11 GMT -4